• Vir almal wat wonder, ek gebruik die program  Genopro om die stamboom uit te lê en die databasis op te bou. Van al die verskeie programme wat ek probeer het, voldoen Genopro aan al my vereistes.
• Dankie vir alle bydraes. Sommige mense vra wat hulle aan my moet stuur, en as ek hulle antwoord “volle name van gesin, broers, susters, ouers, grootouers ens. met geboorte- en sterfdatums” dan hoor ek nooit weer van hulle nie! Moenie skrik vir die datums nie (ons is mos familie, dus hoef die dames nie skaam te wees vir hulle ouderdom nie!). Stuur wat jy het, want dit is al ’n beginpunt. Ons kan altyd later verander en/of byvoeg.
• As julle op die stamboom sien waar iets moet verander of bykom, sluit asb. die indeksnommer (ind00xx) in sodat ek nie die verandering op die verkeerde plek doen nie. Daar is al bv. 17 Dirk Jacobusse en 12 Tobias Johannesse....
• Ek sal ook baie bly wees as julle jul nuwe e-pos adresse (en ander gegewens soos telefoonnommers, pos- en/of straatadresse ens.)aan my sal stuur indien dit verander.
• Laat ons ook weet indien daar ’n nuwe aankomeling, troue, afsterwe, matriekuitslae, grade gevang, die vind van die Krugermiljoene of so iets is dat ons dit hier kan deel.
• Omdat die databasis so groot begin raak het, het ek slegs op die Winterbachs begin konsentreer en die kinders uit ’n huwelik waarvan die man ’n ander van het, nie ingesluit nie. Jammer daarvoor, vir díe wat vies is daaroor!

• Of all the programs that I’ve tried,  Genopro has so far proved to be the best (and easiest) one to create this particular family tree and to maintain the database.
• Thank you for all the contributions. If you can, please also send birth-, death-, wedding- and other dates. Full names and nick names are also important, but send what you have: we can always update the database later.
• If you see on the family tree where a change must be made or an update must be done, please include the index number (ind00xx) so that I do not change the wrong information. There are 16 Winterbachs who need names, for example.
• Please let me know when your e-mail, telephone number, postal addresses etc. change. I do not want to lose contact with you (unless you want to!)
• Tell us when you know of a new baby Winterbach, or if someone gets married, achieve something worthwhile or dies. We would like to share it with all.
• I have stopped to include the “non-Winterbach” children in the database. Sorry about that, it just gets too much!

Briewe / Letters

#001

My late step dad's name was Francois Jean von Helsland Winterbach . My late mum, Jessie Joan Victor, was his second wife. He had two children from his first marriage, Richard and Rodney, then adopted my brother Manfred and myself.
I cannot recall my stepdad's father's name, he was a teacher in Umzinkulu. His first wife was Vera whose sister was an Arget Joubert. There was also an uncle Neil Joubert, married to Kitty with a son Chris, who were until fairly recently the owners of the Spier wine estate.
The old man remarried a much younger Sally, later on in life and concieved a daughter, also called Sally.
My stepfather's brother was a Pieter. He was a photographer in the Copper Belt. He had a daughter called Pamela Jean.
– Conrad

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"Gert" Winterbach  getroud met "Kinna" (?), in Kerkstraat in Tulbagh gewoon in die huis wat vandag as "Monbijou" bekend staan.
Het 3 seuns en 1 dogter gehad:

1. Seun: Gert
2. Seun: Hennie (was op sy tyd die burgemeester van Parow en ’n straat in Parow is na hom vernoem)
3. Dogter: Etta (Sy was getroud met "Duiker" Coetzee wat op sy dag die burgemeester van Otavi in die destydse Suidwes-Afrika was - vermoedelik in die laat 1950's vroeë 1960's.
4. Seun: Petrus Francois (genoem Piet) Winterbach, geb. in Tulbagh,
   getroud op 23/09/1950 in die NG Kerk Bellville Sentraal met Adriana Jacomina Lightfoot (geb. 25/03/1923 Moorreesburg).
   Het 3 dogters gehad: Ingrid, Rene en Linda (getroud met Johan Nel)

Waar pas hulle in die stamboom? Kliek hier  as jy kan help.

Lloyd sent some information about his family , but I don't know where to link them to the Winterbach family tree.
It is possible that his great grandmother Dorothea is the same as Dorothea Elizabetha [ind00572] born 1860 see the Winterbach Family Tree , but that would mean she was 63 years old when little Thomas was born!
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Goeie dag
Ek is beïndruk met u wyd uitgelegde stamboom.
Kan u my dalk help met inligting rakende die Winterbachs in die Lydenburg area.
Ek is op soek na inligting rakende ’n nooi Winterbach gebore in die 1870’s wat getroud was met ene CJ of JC de Clerk.
As u dalk kan help sal ek waardeer.
Dankie
Bertus van Esch

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Kan jy asseblief help, Christiaan Karel Winterbach geb 1963, seun van Theodore Godfrey Winterbach, seun van Johan??
Theodore het 12 eie broers en susters gehad, al waarvan ons weet is Kitty, Stanley, Johnnie (die haarkapper op Lydenburg), Tom en ’n broer Johan (Bones).
Ander nie aan ons bekend.
– Ronel

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Goeie dag Tobie
My naam is Antoinette Smit gebore Winterbach. Ek is opsoek na die familie geskiedenis en register. My pa was „Banie” Barend Jacobus Adolf Winterbach, my oupa was Oupa „Ike” . Ek weet nie wat sy name was nie.

#006.1 (Fri, 1 May 2009)

Beste Tobie
Ek vermoed dat Antoinette Smit (geb. Winterbach) en ek dalk verwant kan wees - sy’t bostaande navraag op jou webwerf gepos (ongelukkig is dit nie gedateer nie). My een stiefbroer se bynaam was „Banie” en ons vader se volle naam was Adriaan Hendrik Winterbach (bynaam : „Ike”)
Groetnis en sterkte
Vic Winterbach

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Hi Tobias:
My name is Hendrik Winterbach, I've checked the family tree but I don't think you have  my family's information  in there. It is possible that it is there but I missed it.
At the moment I don't have much information that can be of any help, but I have several other family members that can help. I just wanted to start somewhere.

Dear Sir,
Having perused your excellent web-site, and in particular your family tree, could I ask you a question?
My late aunt left me a family tree which mentions my great-grandfather Louis George von Bratt Reynolds (b 1820 d 1877) as marrying Susanna Johanna Winterbach daughter of J.C Winterbach J.P, Landdrost TULBAGH....
Could the redoubtable original pioneer Winterbach be my ancestor?
Do you think this is possible, and if so where would Susanna (Suzanna?) figure in your records? My grandfather was always referred to as "o-pah" or the like, an Afrikaans link perhaps?
Kindest regards
David Reynolds, Newbury, England

Here are two more links:
       Cape Colony Records
       British immigrants to SA

The last link mentions the fact that Louis George von Bratt Reynolds married Susanna Johanna Winterbach on 21 Jul 1842 with the consent of her father, J.C. Winterbach.

It is possible that Johannes Carel Winterbach, (b 1812/05/06 d 1884/10/12, ind00007, married to F.J. Visser) had a daughter named Susanna (or Suzanna) Johanna. He did reside in Tulbagh and I know there was a magistrate (Afrikaans = landdros) Winterbach.
– Tobie

#008.1 Dominic Haarhoff wrote [18 Jun 2009]:

Dear Tobie,
I am writing to you in hopes that I may be of some assistance in the matter in question as I happen to be in possession of some primary sources that may be of help (Susanna Johanna Winterbach is my 3rd great Grandmother) According to this LDS record, Susanna Johanna Winterbach was born in 1824 and was around 18 when she got married to Louis George.

According to my records, her father Johan Carl Winterbach (d. 1862) served as the ‘First Stipendiary Justice of the Peace’ from 1806 and was also appointed as the first post master in October 1816 by Charles Somerset. (Most likely this is what the “J.P. Landdrost” David indicated in his post is referring to).

Considering the above it is impossible that the J.Carel Winterbach who married F.J Visser was the father as he would have been 12 at the time. I would suggest instead that this is her elder brother. (She would have been born 3 years before Dirk Jacobus). The inscription on her gravestone at the Kruisvallei Cemetery in Tulbagh indicates that she died in 1898.

Kind regards
Dominic

#008.2 Dominic Haarhoff added this information [15 Nov 2009]:

Dear Tobie
My apologies for not having gotten back to you sooner. I have up and till now been very involved in collating information together about Susanna Winterbach 's son Pieter Jacobus Reynolds and his establishment of a farm called ‘Grantham’ outside of Beaufort West, now a historic monument and part of the Karroo National Park. It’s been a busy couple of months of scanning, digital restoration and layout, culminating in a series of eight frames consisting of enlargements of over 50 photographs depicting the history for the farm which had, until the 70’s, been in Reynolds family for over 4 generations.

Ironically after having left Beauford West and returned to George, where I live, I discovered that Susanna’s sister Maria Carolina has actually died in Beauford. Next time I make a pilgrimage to Beauford West I shall surely have to investigate the cemetery there. I do plan actually to visit Beauford again in June next year as we plan to publish a booklet on the history of the farm Grantham. I got another surprise just the other day was when I discovered a connection to the Aspeling family that had settled in George in the 1840’s and that this is actually where Maria Carolina’s husband Johan Gustav had died.

I have unfortunately not been able to establish contact with David Reynolds at the address you supplied me with as I think that it may be outdated. In the meantime I have re-established contact with another cousin living in England and so may yet be able to track David down. When I first contacted my cousin Marius in England, I learned surprisingly that he had just gotten back from a trip to Tulbach (!) and so we had just missed the perfect opportunity to investigate about the connection between Susanna, Jan Carl and Dorothea Theron.

Since then I have done a little research about the Winterbach’s and even managed to work out Many of the ancestors of the women they married. (See attached pedigree chart for Susanna J. Winterbach). Also attached to this email are two pictures of Susanna that I have scanned in and fade corrected. The resolution of the images is fairly high, so they should be suitable for printing. I had actually planned to send the actual prints to you, but have been putting off sending the letter first on account of the postal strike and now due to things taking longer over the holiday season. Finally I just decided today to just send you the pictures via email and hope the file size would not pose too much of a problem for you.

Earlier today my attention again turned to the Winterbach’s and I found an record that may refer to stamvader Johann Carel’s parents. According to your tree his parents were Johann Dietrich and Anna Margaretha Meulen. According to this mormon record there was a Johan Dietrich Winterbach who married a Anna Magdalena Mullings in Cleve, on 9 August 1733. Despite the alternate spelling of the wife’s name the date and the place does fit with the information we have about Johan Carel, so may be worth investigating if you are keen on researching the origin of the family in Germany.

Kind Regards
Dominic

Anna Magdalena Mullings? I doubt it. Mullings is not a common Dutch/German surname and my research shows that Johann Dietrich married Anna Margaretha Meulen in Cleve.
– Tobie

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Goeie More
Ek het op die Winterbach webblad afgekom, en sal graag bietjie informasie wil bysit.
Ons is ’n Winterbach familie wat in Kaapstad bly. My oupa is laasjaar dood- sy pa (dus my oupa grootjie) het oorspronklik van Duitsland af gekom.
My ouma en haar ouers, aan die ander hand, weer vanaf Skotland.
Ek wou jou net solank in kennis stel. Ek gaan volgende week al die informasie wat ek kan kry in die hande kry oor ons familie en dit vir jou stuur-met datums, name, ens. Ek wou jou net eers kontak om te hoor of ek by die regte plek ’uitkom’.
Baie dankie vir jou werk om ons familie naam in geskiedenis vas te lê. Ek dink dit is fantasties.
Waar kan ek nog navorsing doen oor die Winterbach’s in Duitsland — herkoms, ens???
Mooi naweek vir jou.
Vriendelike Groete
Sulette Winterbach

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Boet Saayman het ’n foto gestuur van die grafsteen van ’n Johan Carl Winterbach wat op 5 Aug 1938 oorlede is in die ouderdom van 93 jaar. Die grafsteen is gevind op ’n mnr. Sauerman se plaas waar die Valsrivier in die Gouritzrivier inloop. Die GPS-koördinate is:
S 34° 08´ 14.68”
E 21° 43´ 01.37”
Met Google Earth is die grafsteen nie sigbaar nie, maar ’n mens kan wel sien in watter omgewing dit is. Weet iemand wie hierdie persoon was?
Dankie aan Gawie en Etienne wat die grafsteen skoongemaak het en ’n duideliker foto gestuur het.

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Dale Hillary wrote:
Hi

We found your web site very interesting.

For your information: My husband is Jacobus Johannes (Joe) Stroebel, born 31st October 1949, he is the only child of Hester Alletta (nee Van Rensburg) who was one of four daughters and three sons of Louis Georg Winterbach [ind00070], who died on 5th November 1973.

Hester Alletta was born 22nd June 1926, she lives in the retirement village Tweedy park. She was married to Andries Francois Stroebel (20/01/1900-2/1/1983) for approx. 25 years.

Joe has very fond memories of his Grandmother Louis. She was a tall lady with blond hair and blue eyes and her father named her Louis because he had wanted a son. She married to Van Rensburg – not sure what his first names are. He was badly injured in a mine accident at Brakpan Mine, and subsequently had a steel plate in his head.

Well, I certainly hope that information is of some use.

Regards

Dale Hilary

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Carlo Weyer skryf:
Hallo daar
Ek het toevallig op die Winterbach webblad uitgekom, wil net sê, dit is ’n plesier om veral die geskiedkundige vertellings te lees.
Baie dankie vir al die moeite wat julle familie doen om ons volk se geskiedenis so mooi by te hou.
Hou so aan.

Dankie vir jou positiewe terugvoer, Carlo. Wat begin het as ’n interessantheid het nou "ontaard" in ’n groot ding wat my baie besig hou (en ek wou dit hou vir as ek eendag aftree)!
– Tobie

Warwick Winterbach has sent information about a whole new branch of Winterbachs.
Can someone add information or link this branch to the main family tree?

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Johan Nel skryf die volgende:

Hi Tobie,
ek het ‘n paar jaar gelede vir jou ’n e-mail gestuur oor my vrou Linda se Winterbach familie. Ek sien GISA het so ‘n paar maande gelede volume 16 van hul „SUID-AFRIKAANSE GESLAGREGISTERS” beskikbaar gemaak. Ek het nou gedurende die vakansie eers tyd gekry om dit te bestudeer. Ek het nogal meer verwag, maar hulle het maar min inligting oor die Winterbachs. Wat my egter verstom is dat volgens jou Winterbach-webblad het Johannes Carel Winterbach (ind00003) 5 kinders gehad, maar volgens GISA het hy 9 kinders gehad (waarvan 3 van die ekstra 4 kinders seuns was!). Ek wonder of my vrou nie van een van hierdie drie seuns afstam nie. O ja, as ek kyk na die ander 2 seuns van Johannes Carel is Dirk Jacobus (ind00010) wat jul voorvader is beslis nie my vrou se voorvader nie aangesien dit lyk volgens jou webblad of meeste van sy seuns Transvaal toe getrek het en of die twee seuns wat in Tulbagh gebly het of vroeg dood is of nie eintlik ‘n nageslag nagelaat het nie).

Hier is ’n kopie van die GISA stuk (sien veral c5 tot c8). Ek gaan belis kyk of ek meer hieroor kan kry en sal jou laat weet as ek iets vind.

Dankie vir jou insette, Johan. Ek sien volgens die GISA info dat persoon c1 en b4 dieselfde is, nl. Maria Carolina. Daarvolgens is sy ’n dogter (b4) én kleindogter (c1) van Johannes Carl x Dorethea Elisabeth THERON!
c2 en c6 was ook beide met ’n Hermi(e)na Susanna Helena VILJOEN getroud. Ma en dogter? Die een was ’n weduwee van ene Pienaar, maar nie van ’n Winterbach nie.
Ek het die databasis opgedateer met die 4 ekstra kinders, maar sal dit nog moet bevestig. Die stamboom sal ek later regmaak.
– Tobie

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Geagte vriend,
Kan u my asb sê of u weet of daar iewers ’n lys van name is van boere wat in 1914 se rebellie gesterf het in SWA? Ek sal dit hoog op prys stel.
Baie dankie,
Charles Skeen

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Christa Winterbach van Buffelsvlei het telefonies vertel van Chris en Baba Winterbach, die stigters van die Lydenburg Vastrappers Boereorkes. Hier is meer inligting.

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