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FORUM ’n Plek waar julle Winterbach-vrae en insette bespreek word. Geen persoonlike en/of private informasie sal geplaas word nie, behalwe wanneer daarop aangedring word. A place where your queries about the Winterbachs are discussed. No personal and/or private information shall be published, except when specifically asked for by you. Hier werden euer Winterbach-fragen diskutiert. Keine persönliche und/oder private Information wird angezeigt. |
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Nuus: Ek het in September 2010 die NG Kerk argiewe in Tulbagh, Ceres en Stellenbosch gaan aandurf. Met die hulp van my vrou Claudia, suster Marlene en neef Anton het ek heelwat inligting uit geboorteregisters, lidmaatregisters en sterftesertifikate gekry, en ook in die begraafplase van Laingsburg, Tulbagh en Ceres. Ek het van al die Winterbach-inskrywings fotos geneem wat ek in die databasis geplaas het. News: During September 2010 I, with the help of my wife Claudia, sister Marlene and cousin Anton, have found a lot of information in the archives of the Dutch Reform Churches in the towns of Tulbagh, Ceres and Stellenbosch and also in the graveyards of Laingsburg, Tulbagh and Ceres. I have updated the data base with the pictures I've taken
Briewe (nuutste bo) / Letters (latest ones first) #034 Op 12 Mei 2011 wil Lalie Crouwkamp (née Winterbach) weet wat die betekenis van die Winterbach-familiewapen is. Sy het ook die vorm op die kontak-blad ingevul met haar inligting wat my in staat gestel het om die databasis op te dateer. Ek het toe navorsing gaan doen en op díe bladsy afgekom. My eie verklarings van die simbole op die Winterbach-familiewapen het ek toe op die Herkoms-bladsy geplaas. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #033 Johann Groenewald, 13 Mei 2011: Mnr. Tobie Winterbach Baie dankie vir die inligting, Johann. Ek wonder of Archibald Winterbach dieselfde een is as wat ek het as ind01274, seun van Pieter Francois Hugo Winterbach (ind01218) en broer van Pieter wat op Ashton bly (ind01269)? As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #032 Erna Faber skryf op 23 April 2011 die volgende: Beste Tobie, Erna het ook die vorm op die webblad ingevul met die nodige inligting wat ek kon gebruik om die databasis te kon opdateer. Op 12 Mei 2011 het sy ook 3 fotos gestuur, o.a. een van die opstal op die plaas Opsoek in Laingsburg se distrik. Haar oupa was Johann Hendrik Winterbach (ind00217) wie se inligting hier verskyn. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #031 Ilze Krapohl skryf op 22 Maart 2011: Hallo Mnr Winterbach Sy gaan dan voort om inligting oor Johannes Abraham Winterbach en Susanna Johanna Conradie se kinders en kleinkinders te gee en hoe hulle in die hoofstamboom inpas. Ek kon die stamboom aanpas en die databasis uitbrei, waarvoor ek baie dankbaar is. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #030 Johan van der Merwe skryf op 26 Feb 2011: Tobie Dankie vir die inligting, Johan. 2 Maart 2011: As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #029 (11 Dec 2010) Jan Kijlstra has sent a picture of a Bernard von Winterbach und Schauenburg with the following letter:Hallo I did find back an old picture of Bernhard von Winterbach und Schauenburg und Rotenburg. See the attached scan (corrected with Gimp, a free Photoshop look-alike software). And I did find you on the internet. Can you tell me more about this anchestor of you? Best regards from the Netherlands Jan Kijlstra Thank you so much for the photo of Bernhard von Winterbach.On 16 Dec 2010 he replied: Dear Tobie If you can supply more information, please
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here #028 (10 Dec 2010) JOHANNES ABRAHAM WINTERBACH gebore 22-08-1896 TULBAGH gedoop 30-11-1896 KRUISVALLEI, TULBAGH
(seun van Johannes Abraham WINTERBACH en Susanna Johanna CONRADIE) As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #027 (01 Dec 2010) Pamela Jean (nee Winterbach) has sent a lot of detailed information in reply to letter #001 by Conrad Winterbach. This really helped a lot to fill the empty spaces in the data base and to build up the family tree. If you can supply more information, please
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here #026 (27 Nov 2010) Erika Pretorius, who is busy with the Duminy family register, has asked me for more information about "Sally" Duminy and I wondered where the names "Stadler" and "von Helsland" had come from. She sent me this interesting bit of information:Hello Tobie The van Helsland surname is very interesting. Francois Renier Duminy 1747-1811 arrived in Cape Town. He had a daughter Jean Francoise 1779 -1850 and she got married to Charles van Helsland (Captain of Danish vessel Forsoget) from Throurout (Torhout) in Vlaandere died 5/1827. Apparently he was quite a formidable gentleman and so the surname became a name in the Duminy family. FR 2nd son Benjamin Jacob Willem *10/6/1793 - 5/11/1862 married Catharina Maria Stadler 30/6/1796 in the Lutheran Church on 9/6/1816. MOOC 7/1/264.44. 7 Children. Regards Erika. I have updated the family tree here with the latest information. If you can supply more information, please
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here #025 (10 Nov 2010) Marius Winterbach from Windhoek in Namibia has e-mailed me some information about his family. It turned out that he is the father of Lloyd Winterbach, whose letter can be read here (letter #004). If you can supply more information, please
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here #024 Dirk Conradie het op 18 Oktober 2010 die volgende inligting gestuur: My ma was ’n nooi Winterbach. Cornelia Margaretha (Corrie)
Gebore 5 Oktober 1920 (Lydenburg) – Oorlede 13 Junie 1995 Groete en ’n lekker dag, Dirk Conradie As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #023 Johan Bekker skryf op 20 Julie 2010: Hi Tobie Dankie Johan. Ek het die stamboom hier opgedateer met jou inligting. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #022 (30 Apr 2010) My name is Cornelius Hendrick Winterbach from the Simons Town Winterbachs. Birthdate is 1967/10/11. Father was also a Cornelius and was known as Corneels. Mother was Elean Maud Winterbach. Two Brothers - Elmar and Andrew and two sisters - Corlean and Susan. All should be proud of this Surname, I know I am. You all can email me on - cormenelectrical2@gmail.com Love and Regards to all the Winterbachs If you can supply more information, please
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here #021 (31 Mar 2010) Hi Ek het die stamboom hier opgedateer As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #020 (26 Mar 2010) Robert Grantham showed interest in the Grantham farm outside of Beaufort West described by Dominic Haarhoff in letter #008.2 below. If you can supply more information, please
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here #019.1 (9 Feb 2010) Goeie dag Tobie, Ulandi Bresler #019.2 (26 Mar 2010) Ulandi het toe meer inligting gestuur aangaande haar vorige e-pos. Ek het die stamboom daarmee opgedateer , maar benodig nog baie meer om die databasis volledig te kry. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #018 (9 Feb 2010) Mnr Winterbach, .... Soos jy kan sien was Maria Catharina Magdalena „Katie” (geb. Roos) my ouma aan my ma se kant. Haar ouers was Gerhard Roos en Miemie (geb. Ebersohn), maar hulle geboorte/sterfdatums het ek ongelukkig nie. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #017 (20 Jan 2010) Retha het geskryf en baie inligting i.v.m. Stanley Winterbach se familie gestuur. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #016 (10 Jan 2010) Geagte vriend, As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #015 (29
Des 2009)
Johan Nel skryf die volgende: Hi Tobie, Hier is ’n kopie van die GISA stuk (sien veral c5 tot c8). Ek gaan belis kyk of ek meer hieroor kan kry en sal jou laat weet as ek iets vind. Dankie vir jou insette, Johan. Ek sien volgens die GISA info dat persoon c1 en b4 dieselfde is, nl. Maria Carolina. Daarvolgens is sy ’n dogter (b4) én kleindogter (c1) van Johannes Carl x Dorethea Elisabeth THERON! As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #014 (19
Dec 2009)
Warwick Winterbach has sent information about a whole new branch of Winterbachs. If you can supply more information, please
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here #013 (13
Nov 2009)
Carlo Weyer skryf: Dankie vir jou positiewe terugvoer, Carlo. Wat begin het as ’n interessantheid het nou „ontaard” in ’n groot ding wat my baie besig hou (en ek wou dit hou vir as ek eendag aftree)! As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #012 (Thu,
09 Jul 2009):
Boet Saayman het ’n foto gestuur van die grafsteen
van ’n Johan Carl Winterbach wat op 5 Aug 1938 oorlede is in
die ouderdom van 93 jaar. Die grafsteen is gevind op ’n mnr.
Sauerman se plaas waar die Valsrivier in die Gouritzrivier inloop.
Die GPS-koördinate is: S 34° 08’ 14.68”Met Google Earth is die grafsteen nie sigbaar nie, maar ’n mens kan wel sien in watter omgewing dit is. Weet iemand wie hierdie persoon was? Dankie aan Gawie en Etienne wat die grafsteen skoongemaak het en ’n duideliker foto gestuur het. As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #011 (14
Jun 2009):
Dale Hillary wrote: If you can supply more information, please
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here #010 (Fri,
24 Apr 2009):
Goeie More As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #009 (14
Apr 2009):
Christa Winterbach van Buffelsvlei het telefonies vertel van Chris en Baba Winterbach, die stigters van die Lydenburg Vastrappers Boereorkes. Hier is meer inligting As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #008 (Thu,
11 Dec 2008):
Dear Sir, Here are two more links: The last link mentions the fact that Louis George von Bratt Reynolds married Susanna Johanna Winterbach on 21 Jul 1842 with the consent of her father, J.C. Winterbach. It is possible that Johannes Carel Winterbach, (b 1812/05/06 d 1884/10/12,ind00007, married to F.J. Visser) had a daughter named Susanna (or Suzanna) Johanna. He did reside in Tulbagh and I know there was a magistrate (Afrikaans = landdros) Winterbach. #008.1 Dominic Haarhoff wrote [18 Jun 2009]: Dear Tobie, According to my records, her father Johan Carl Winterbach (d. 1862) served as the ‘First Stipendiary Justice of the Peace’ from 1806 and was also appointed as the first post master in October 1816 by Charles Somerset. (Most likely this is what the “J.P. Landdrost” David indicated in his post is referring to). Considering the above it is impossible that the J.Carel Winterbach who married F.J Visser was the father as he would have been 12 at the time. I would suggest instead that this is her elder brother. (She would have been born 3 years before Dirk Jacobus). The inscription on her gravestone at the Kruisvallei Cemetery in Tulbagh indicates that she died in 1898. Kind regards #008.2 Dominic Haarhoff added this information [15 Nov 2009]: Dear Tobie Ironically after having left Beauford West and returned to George, where I live, I discovered that Susanna’s sister Maria Carolina has actually died in Beauford. Next time I make a pilgrimage to Beauford West I shall surely have to investigate the cemetery there. I do plan actually to visit Beauford again in June next year as we plan to publish a booklet on the history of the farm Grantham. I got another surprise just the other daywas when I discovered a connection to the Aspeling family that had settled in George in the 1840’s and that this is actually where Maria Carolina’s husband Johan Gustav had died. I have unfortunately not been able to establish contact with David Reynolds at the address you supplied me with as I think that it may be outdated. In the meantime I have re-established contact with another cousin living in England and so may yet be able to track David down. When I first contacted my cousin Marius in England, I learned surprisingly that he had just gotten back from a trip to Tulbach (!) and so we had just missed the perfect opportunity to investigate about the connection between Susanna, Jan Carl and Dorothea Theron. Since then I have done a little research about the Winterbach’s and even managed to work out Many of the ancestors of the women they married. (See attached pedigree chart for Susanna J. Winterbach). Also attached to this email are two pictures of Susanna that I have scanned in and fade corrected. The resolution of the images is fairly high, so they should be suitable for printing. I had actually planned to send the actual prints to you, but have been putting off sending the letter first on account of the postal strike and now due to things taking longer over the holiday season. Finally I just decided today to just send you the pictures via email and hope the file size would not pose too much of a problem for you. Earlier today my attention again turned to the Winterbach’s and I found an record that may refer to stamvader Johann Carel’s parents. According to your tree his parents were Johann Dietrich and Anna Margaretha Meulen. According to this mormon record there was a Johan Dietrich Winterbach who married a Anna Magdalena Mullings in Cleve, on 9 August 1733. Despite the alternate spelling of the wife’s name the date and the place does fit with the information we have about Johan Carel, so may be worth investigating if you are keen on researching the origin of the family in Germany. Kind Regards Anna Magdalena Mullings? I doubt it. Mullings is not a common Dutch/German surname and my research shows that Johann Dietrich married Anna Margaretha Meulen in Cleve. #008.3 (26 Mar 2010) Hi Tobie Regards If you can supply more information, please
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here #007 (Thu,
11 Oct 2007):
Goeie dag As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #006 (Mon,
12 Feb 2007)
Goeie dag Tobie #006.1 (Fri, 1 May 2009) Beste Tobie Hier is hul stamboom As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #005 (Wed,
17 Jan 2007):
Hi Tobias: I've added what Hendrik had sent me here If you can supply more information, please
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here #004 (Sat, 6 May 2006):
Lloyd sent some information about his family, but I don't know
where to link them to the Winterbach family
tree. If you can supply more information, please
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here #003 (Tue, 28 Feb 2006):
Kan jy asseblief help, Christiaan Karel Winterbach geb
1963, seun van Theodore Godfrey Winterbach, seun van Johan?? Sien die stamboom hier As iemand meer inligting kan stuur, kliek
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hier #002 (Wed, 12 May 2004):
"Gert" Winterbach getroud
met "Kinna" (?), in Kerkstraat in Tulbagh gewoon in die
huis wat vandag as "Monbijou" bekend staan.
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hier #001 (Wed, 3 Mar 2004): My late step dad's name was Francois Jean von Helsland Winterbach.
My late mum, Jessie Joan Victor, was his second
wife. He had two children from his first marriage, Richard and Rodney,
then adopted my brother Manfred and myself. Read Pamela Jean’s reply here If you can supply more information, please
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